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Taking ambien and still can't sleep?


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UGH, I've been taking ambien so long that it doesn't hit me like it used to. I dont want to step up the dose.... what other sleep aids do you use? I'd like to alternate and lower my tolerance. Thoughts? 

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there is a prescription called lunesta, when people cant take ambien they take that...i hear its good....the only thing is u get a weird taste in mouth for a bit..

Maybe switching to that for a short time will bring your tolerance back down..?

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Ambien and lunesta are very similar.

A bit like zopiclone and Zolpidem the zopiclone leaves a metallic taste in your mouth much like lunesta.

Unfortunately codycowel there's not much you can do about your tollerance unless you switch to a benzodiazapine sleeper or a rc sleeper such as etilaam etizolam or simalar,try and take the different type of sleeper and your tollerance should improve . Flubomazolam can help and is a rc and believe me it maybe only 0.25mg  but 2 of them should have you sleeping like a baby just be careful as they are very quick to build tollerance!. Try mogadon I find they are VERY nice but believe it or not the 5mg roche brand are much better than the 10mg sun pharma brand?

Peace 

Bliss. ....

Btw all the z drugs plus lunesta and ambien are a hypnotic so basically don't show in a urine sample.So be Carefull if you are being urine sampled if you go the mogadon benzo route?

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i notice this the past few days, i just started trying ambien for sleep, some nights good sleep, wake up refresh and reboot, and some nights i am still awake after dosing but when i do goto the sleep i still wake up groggy ? 

 

 

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Cody, first time I took ambien I tried to walk out back door in a towel and a smile, my kids woke me up with..... Mom where u going? Lmao after awhile I only got 30 min of sleep, unless I let it get out of my system and start over. It a pretty strong drug and I'd be careful having that on board then adding something similar, these all slow ur breathing etc. just be safe.

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hello, i didn't want to create a similar post , so if its cool with you can i piggy back of yours?

 

i took generic version of @mbi1en , i took 2 actually last nite and got 5hours of sleep, woke up a lil groggy but after moving around at 3am, woke up and cant go back to sleep, do i need something stronger ? 

 

Btw all the z drugs plus lunesta and ambien are a hypnotic so basically don't show in a urine sample.So be Carefull if you are being urine sampled if you go the mogadon benzo route?

im confused what do you mean the mogadon benzo route? 

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@mrcoolguy, I think bliss is saying be careful if you decide to try Nitr@zzzzzzz and you are on a urine sampling regime

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@mrcoolguy, I think bliss is saying be careful if you decide to try Nitr@zzzzzzz and you are on a urine sampling regime

oh crap, last time i took an ambien was last friday! before last night, and yesterday morning i had my yearly physical bloodwork, which included a 12panel drug test,  guess 5days from friday night to wednesday morn leaves me screwed :/ il find out when i go back to review the results with my doc or find out when i check labcorp online for resul

@PTFCoh crap, last time i took an ambien was last friday! before last night, and yesterday morning i had my yearly physical bloodwork, which included a 12panel drug test,  guess 5days from friday night to wednesday morn leaves me screwed :/ il find out when i go back to review the results with my doc or find out when i check labcorp online for resul

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same again , went to bed at 10 and got up at 3am, every morn 3am!

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ahhhh 3:15am . wnt to bed at  10pm, 5hours again!

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OK, for severe insomnia, you have to have the "sleep promoting" circuits in your brain working hard, while suppressing the "awakeness promoting" circuits as much as possible too.

There is the obvious, low stress, exercise earlier in the day, being (reasonably happy and content), having sex before bed (or masturbation if you don't have a partner). Good massages and a good chiropractor. Avoid sweet foods as much as possible. 

As far as drugs go, you've also the option to cover multiple bases:

1. Histamine, awakesness promoting NT, so you use antihistamines, like Diphenhydramine.

2. Acetylcholine, many functions but also awakeness promoting, anticholingeric drugs are known to be sedating, Diphenhydramine will also do this at higher doses, as well as various TCAs (beware any type of antidepressants though as they tend to have a net agitating/energizing effect.

3. Serotonin, again many functions but it is known that antagonism of 5HT2a receptor in particular is responsible for strong anxiolytic properties of drugs that antagonize 5HT2a. Here we have quite a few, quetiapine and olanzapine. Both drugs bind first of all preferentially to histamine receptors, and olanzapine has some wide ranging anticholinergic effects as well. Both drugs, again olanzapine a lot more, antagonize 5HT2a receptors and this in addition to histamine and acetylcholine which is responsible for its positive effects on sleep.

4.  Dopamine, again many functions but D2 receptor antagonism tends to exhaust you of energy, of drive, it blunts some people. But it is relaxing to take before bed.

5. GABA. Benzos act on GABA receptors, but as you can see from above, it's just one of quite a few methods of putting yourself to sleep. 

What my friend does is take Diphenhydramine at a high dose of 200mg, first of all. This allows the DPH to saturate histamine and acetylcholine receptors. So now you choose an antipsychotic, say olanzapine. It is usually very strong at histamine receptors and starts on them first, but if you've blocked them all with a much cheaper alternative in Diphenhydramine, the antipsychotic should then default to the next preferred receptor types. So, if olanzapine, for example, prefers Histamine and Acetylcholine receptors but they are all blocked already, it will start to do other stuff, like 5HT2a antagonism, and dopamine antagonism, both very calming and sedating in addition to the antihistamine and anticholinergic effects of DPH. One may then diversify by calling on benzos to finish it off. Obviously faster acting benzos would be preferable, because the other drugs should keep you asleep so it doesn't fully matter if it doesn't last all night. Midazolam 15mg or Triazolam 0.5mg are excellent for this function. Since these are hard to get, one may opt for tems, cinolazepam, or whatever short-intermediate acting benzo you can get. Heck, dia can do the job as most of the "action" comes only for a few hours, almost like a fast acting drug. Clon on the other hand is barely noticeable even at higher doses, that is until you go out in public and you find it easier to talk to people. Even with dia, the above combo is nuclear, really powerful. If I had to take Ambien on its own I wouldn't sleep, so don't beat yourself up about it. Find a way around it.

 

Intended for informational purposes only. This is not medical advice.

 

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Hello to the Ambien  person,

It just may be very well fortunate for you that Ambien cannot get you to sleep and may want to use another source such as Lunesta or a mild form of warm milk , REALLY!

Have you tried Melatonin it is TERRIFIC!

Ambien has been known to do" REALLY STRANGE " things to people after taking the first dose and somehow fall asleep with out realizing it and get up to do some REALLY BIZZARE things such as having sex and I mean aggressive sex! also I have a friend as Neiman's who got up and ate 3 boxes of cereal and polished off 2 gallons of milk, she got up the next a.m. and her husband told her she was really hungry last night!   ha!     I know another girl who got in to her car in the middle of the night and drove to a liqure  store to buy cigars  in her night gown and the man behind the counter had to call the police  because she was soliciting herself to his customers. Yes.... good old Ambien! CONCIDER YOURSELF LUCKY!!!!:blink:

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don't know why 5hours is my max sleep, even with 2 il knock out get deep sleep and wake up to use the bathroom and from thjere  cant go back

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